zuhail
04-03 01:37 AM
Hello there,
Please contact me at fermion_boson@ymail.com if you are interested to take part in efforts to re-capture unused visa numbers for EB categories.
Let's do this NOW.
"To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield" --Lord Tennyson in "Ulysses"
Please contact me at fermion_boson@ymail.com if you are interested to take part in efforts to re-capture unused visa numbers for EB categories.
Let's do this NOW.
"To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield" --Lord Tennyson in "Ulysses"
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dhesha
03-20 11:54 AM
http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm
Can we all file a combined group problem here?
Can we all file a combined group problem here?
jasmin45
03-05 09:24 PM
My letter to realtor.org
� Average education level: At least undergraduate
I always believed that everyone out here is atleast a grad with a degree. Isn't it what the minimum requirement for EB Category 3 ?
Correct me if I am wrong.
� Average education level: At least undergraduate
I always believed that everyone out here is atleast a grad with a degree. Isn't it what the minimum requirement for EB Category 3 ?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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kashish333
09-30 05:56 PM
Here is my problem
I am currently on L1 with company A which is valid till Jan 2013. Company B has also filed for H1 for me which is not yet approved. I want to go back to home country on vacation. If my H1 gets approved
1. can I continue to work on L1.
2. What if I go back to home country for vacation. can I enter the US on L1 again. Will there be any problem? what will happne to my H1 in that case.
Please Advice
I am currently on L1 with company A which is valid till Jan 2013. Company B has also filed for H1 for me which is not yet approved. I want to go back to home country on vacation. If my H1 gets approved
1. can I continue to work on L1.
2. What if I go back to home country for vacation. can I enter the US on L1 again. Will there be any problem? what will happne to my H1 in that case.
Please Advice
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BharatPremi
07-10 12:28 AM
Whether they are smart people or not, a future department of justice investigation will find out.
http://s202395528.onlinehome.us/category/general/
However I see a way out for DOS/USCIS. They can avoid class action by claiming that they had warned the public in advance via the July 2 update to the July visa bulletin, and had modified the July visa bulletin only on July 6, after warning the public in advance. This way they can accept all applications received till July 5, and will be covered against any class action law suits.
No, it will be very difficult for them to follow this as non filers or filers after 5th would come with the arguments like we were still respecting USCIS's published notice and so we did not file (non filers) and others would come up with the argument that we decided to file with having clear understanding of its rejection as filers on 5th or before did so you (USCIS) cannot discriminate merely based upon filing date.
http://s202395528.onlinehome.us/category/general/
However I see a way out for DOS/USCIS. They can avoid class action by claiming that they had warned the public in advance via the July 2 update to the July visa bulletin, and had modified the July visa bulletin only on July 6, after warning the public in advance. This way they can accept all applications received till July 5, and will be covered against any class action law suits.
No, it will be very difficult for them to follow this as non filers or filers after 5th would come with the arguments like we were still respecting USCIS's published notice and so we did not file (non filers) and others would come up with the argument that we decided to file with having clear understanding of its rejection as filers on 5th or before did so you (USCIS) cannot discriminate merely based upon filing date.
jayleno
09-05 02:39 PM
I can understand why an individual fake resonably to get a job, though I do not support it. I dont understand these stupid companies hiring the desperate students and doing all these stuff in the name of business. I dont know how people who have those companies do all this stuff just for extra money and sleep peacefully at night.
I can put 100 arguments in support of MS students graduating and trying to get into a new job. Similarly you can come up with 100 other arguments that they are all non ethical and lies.
It is more costly for companies big and small to hire a new grad, train and eventually have him work on the business and that process is carried only by a minute percentage of all the companies that do business and also they look at elite schools.
Every MS student has to undergo a vigorous financial crisis situation there by the time they graduate they are left with no choice other than accepting what ever comes there way, at the earliest.
They don't have the liberty financially as well as law wise to sit and try for 1 year to get into a full time job. Given those kind of situations it is nothing wrong in projecting themselves to certain years of experience.
At the same, contracting, consulting is all about this. When no party likes, they can always let go.
-the116
I can put 100 arguments in support of MS students graduating and trying to get into a new job. Similarly you can come up with 100 other arguments that they are all non ethical and lies.
It is more costly for companies big and small to hire a new grad, train and eventually have him work on the business and that process is carried only by a minute percentage of all the companies that do business and also they look at elite schools.
Every MS student has to undergo a vigorous financial crisis situation there by the time they graduate they are left with no choice other than accepting what ever comes there way, at the earliest.
They don't have the liberty financially as well as law wise to sit and try for 1 year to get into a full time job. Given those kind of situations it is nothing wrong in projecting themselves to certain years of experience.
At the same, contracting, consulting is all about this. When no party likes, they can always let go.
-the116
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ezee
10-16 05:45 PM
I clearly mentioned each of the following country and category. To make sure, I also mentioned that we do not need combined total of pending AOS applications. If the request is ambiguous or means different things to different people,please let us know and we can make needed modifications asap. Are you recommending to hand out a blank tabular format .to USCIS FOIA?
I personally think there is a possible ambiguity in the request (especially since we are dealing with a government agency). So we should probably bullet point the data we need at least and if people don't think there is any harm in putting in a table for the format of data needed that will make things very clear. I agree with you that breakdown of quarter/month is probably not needed and might actually hurt our chances of getting the answer within reasonable amount of time.
I personally think there is a possible ambiguity in the request (especially since we are dealing with a government agency). So we should probably bullet point the data we need at least and if people don't think there is any harm in putting in a table for the format of data needed that will make things very clear. I agree with you that breakdown of quarter/month is probably not needed and might actually hurt our chances of getting the answer within reasonable amount of time.
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senthil1
06-13 02:08 PM
If the restrictions in H1b comes then I may be impacted also many of my friends and relatives may be impacted. For our personal lives H1b and green card are important if we want to stay in USA. My point is if congress make sure that if I or you will not take any eligible US persons job in USA that is acceptable for me. That will make sure everyone happy
Anyhow we will see what next for CIR and we will do more analysis when it comes.
Senthil1, Pineapple
Please let us not sound harsh and have a bipartisan :D discussion. It is just my statement I do not disagree with neither of you.
Rule 2
You mean Microsoft and Google and other companies want to stop outsourcing. They would not have build a huge team in india if they wanted to do this. The point that you are missing is that they need H1-Bs here because no american born is availabe here to fill those positions.
Read my statement thoroughly.
Big consulting companies(Bearing point....my list will go on) that are plenty in the US who hire and fire H1-B and american born if they cannot find another client for them after few days.
What will happen to these companies .. they have to shut down
Rule 2 will be a disaster for all these companies.
These companies do not go to india to get H1-B's they get them when they come here brought by india Desi companies.
It will be a mess. You might be talking about one company that will never displace and american and will garauntee an employee that he will never be fired once hired : Give me a break.
Anyhow we will see what next for CIR and we will do more analysis when it comes.
Senthil1, Pineapple
Please let us not sound harsh and have a bipartisan :D discussion. It is just my statement I do not disagree with neither of you.
Rule 2
You mean Microsoft and Google and other companies want to stop outsourcing. They would not have build a huge team in india if they wanted to do this. The point that you are missing is that they need H1-Bs here because no american born is availabe here to fill those positions.
Read my statement thoroughly.
Big consulting companies(Bearing point....my list will go on) that are plenty in the US who hire and fire H1-B and american born if they cannot find another client for them after few days.
What will happen to these companies .. they have to shut down
Rule 2 will be a disaster for all these companies.
These companies do not go to india to get H1-B's they get them when they come here brought by india Desi companies.
It will be a mess. You might be talking about one company that will never displace and american and will garauntee an employee that he will never be fired once hired : Give me a break.
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hydboy77
06-08 06:38 PM
There is going to be no spillover to EB2 India at all because according to the thread "Employment-Based Visa Number Movement and Predictions - from current Murthy Bulletin" thread Mr. Oppenheim (the guy from the DOS who sets the visa bulletin) said that EB1, EB4 and Eb5 might also retrogress (that is have to a cut off date which means they will not be current). If EB1, EB2 and EB5 retrogress and there is no spillover from EB2 ROW and there is no spillover from Family based visas there will not be any spillover to Eb2 India at all. There is absoluetely no difference between Eb3 India and Eb2 India except that EB3 India will be stuck in 2001 and Eb2 India might be stuck either in 2002 or early 2003. We are screwed for ages to come. Dont give me red for bringing this harsh reality, I myself am depressed
That "small change" of EB2 China PD is very important. It suggests that there is going to be "Spill over" so EB2 India and China will have to move together to use the unused numbers. A good sign; at least EB1 retrogression does not seem to be likely and there will be some spill over numbers to EB2 India (EB2 china may not benefit much as it had a PD later than that for the rest of the year.
Scorpion: how can you say "no spill over". EB2ROW is current and so spill over is likely (more likely from EB1 and even to some extent from EB2 ROW)
Moreover, EB2 ROW remained current meaning that they have not used all their quota; they will not use any spillover numbers and they may even provide spill over numbers to EB2 India and China.
That "small change" of EB2 China PD is very important. It suggests that there is going to be "Spill over" so EB2 India and China will have to move together to use the unused numbers. A good sign; at least EB1 retrogression does not seem to be likely and there will be some spill over numbers to EB2 India (EB2 china may not benefit much as it had a PD later than that for the rest of the year.
Scorpion: how can you say "no spill over". EB2ROW is current and so spill over is likely (more likely from EB1 and even to some extent from EB2 ROW)
Moreover, EB2 ROW remained current meaning that they have not used all their quota; they will not use any spillover numbers and they may even provide spill over numbers to EB2 India and China.
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05-21 10:15 AM
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number30
10-11 07:13 PM
Damn, I miss India now.
We went to Marriage of my classmate which was in Srinagar J&K. Police caught us in on the road and we did not have any kind of identification. We started to talk in Kannada with ourselves. This guy let us go by seeing us talking some south Indian language. It happens everywhere. If you are going within 100 mile range from the border it is better to carry the documents. If you are flaying you got carry. I stayed in Buffalo NY for a quite long time I never carried a passport for Niagara falls or to any other places.
We went to Marriage of my classmate which was in Srinagar J&K. Police caught us in on the road and we did not have any kind of identification. We started to talk in Kannada with ourselves. This guy let us go by seeing us talking some south Indian language. It happens everywhere. If you are going within 100 mile range from the border it is better to carry the documents. If you are flaying you got carry. I stayed in Buffalo NY for a quite long time I never carried a passport for Niagara falls or to any other places.
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svr_76
02-19 10:59 PM
I'm one of those who say with pride that I can create jobs and buy houses. Then why will not congress or policy makers not touch this. As some here said it depends upon what we think about ourselves. I know many people who like to work under someone even after 10-15 years, my brother is like that, and I know many more like me who want to start companies, employ many people, and do bigger things. Both may be right in their own ways, but if you project yourself like me, then the doors will open.. Show enterprise..
Definitely enterprising candidates do have the perfect carved out visa category for this purpose EB5. Show them a plan to create jobs and get bank to approve of your plan as being profitable and feasible, to extend you a line of credit and you'll get ur GC in 1 year.
Its pure politics here..the current bill is an attempt to garner more ethnic votes...e.g.
UPA never initiates action to press hard for deportation of bangla immigrats (undocumented aliens) in India because those aliens are from a particular community and UPA wants to capitalize on the valid votes that Indian citizen from the same community provide them.
Definitely enterprising candidates do have the perfect carved out visa category for this purpose EB5. Show them a plan to create jobs and get bank to approve of your plan as being profitable and feasible, to extend you a line of credit and you'll get ur GC in 1 year.
Its pure politics here..the current bill is an attempt to garner more ethnic votes...e.g.
UPA never initiates action to press hard for deportation of bangla immigrats (undocumented aliens) in India because those aliens are from a particular community and UPA wants to capitalize on the valid votes that Indian citizen from the same community provide them.
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09-14 12:21 PM
Current PD folks, if you get RFE please share your RFE here..
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gunabcd
07-13 10:57 PM
http://www.murthy.com/chertoff_murthy.html
July 12, 2007
VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS
Michael Chertoff, Esq.
Secretary
Department of Homeland Security
RE: USCIS Decision to Reject I-485 Filings
Dear Mr. Chertoff:
continue
Looks like "Jbpvisa" wanted to win the race of posting this article first, and he/she mis-spelled "Murthy" as Murphy. recently somebody came up with a "Secret News.." which was actually his own far fetched fantasy. I don't understand why some people are so thrilled about throwing around sensational sounding posts ? Isn't that similar to creating a chain email hoax?
July 12, 2007
VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS
Michael Chertoff, Esq.
Secretary
Department of Homeland Security
RE: USCIS Decision to Reject I-485 Filings
Dear Mr. Chertoff:
continue
Looks like "Jbpvisa" wanted to win the race of posting this article first, and he/she mis-spelled "Murthy" as Murphy. recently somebody came up with a "Secret News.." which was actually his own far fetched fantasy. I don't understand why some people are so thrilled about throwing around sensational sounding posts ? Isn't that similar to creating a chain email hoax?
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retrohatao
02-18 11:58 PM
WaldenPond,
It is an interesting post.
I am quite sure you by this time know that "the security clearnce" has become the most secretive processes in the GC process. You were right when you have mentioned people would like to get to the next process. Yes, I was of the opinion that the labour clearance was the only hurdle in the GC process. When my I-485 was current and my case was not cleared than I realized how serious the "security clearance process" was. Interestingly many people have been stuck in the process. (Please take a look at the link I have posted.) None of the people could successfully find a way out. Comparing the "Name check process" as a "case to case" process is bit a "over-statement". In the cases you have mentioned, atleast you have an option to contact USCIS. USCIS has an obligation to respond with in a specified time period. But in case of "Name Check process" as you might have already found , one may not expect a response from FBI. Its plain and simple. If my name is stuck in the "security clearane", I would like to know what for ( just like the RFE sent by USCIS). I may provide some information that could clarify their doubts or atleas can provide them to check certain facts to check the veracity
As related to working on the issue, yes I can definitely work on the issue to the best of my ability.There are some constraints due to the Job I am in, however I am willing to do whatever possibly can be done.
It is an interesting post.
I am quite sure you by this time know that "the security clearnce" has become the most secretive processes in the GC process. You were right when you have mentioned people would like to get to the next process. Yes, I was of the opinion that the labour clearance was the only hurdle in the GC process. When my I-485 was current and my case was not cleared than I realized how serious the "security clearance process" was. Interestingly many people have been stuck in the process. (Please take a look at the link I have posted.) None of the people could successfully find a way out. Comparing the "Name check process" as a "case to case" process is bit a "over-statement". In the cases you have mentioned, atleast you have an option to contact USCIS. USCIS has an obligation to respond with in a specified time period. But in case of "Name Check process" as you might have already found , one may not expect a response from FBI. Its plain and simple. If my name is stuck in the "security clearane", I would like to know what for ( just like the RFE sent by USCIS). I may provide some information that could clarify their doubts or atleas can provide them to check certain facts to check the veracity
As related to working on the issue, yes I can definitely work on the issue to the best of my ability.There are some constraints due to the Job I am in, however I am willing to do whatever possibly can be done.
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immi_enthu
08-15 04:35 PM
yes but they will start processing the applications based on the receipt dates. so if a guy applied last year, he gets priority over last month's people. (that is assuming that his priority dates were current last year from him to apply!)
also they will need to do fingerprinting etc. and shall pass the FBI check before they get to final stage of adjudication. that would take 6 more months. so they should look at the bulletin at that time to see if they are eligible. dont get excited about these dates - they are not that helpful for the last month filers.
some people who applied in June may get approved if their PDs are current. July/ Aug filers unlikely
also they will need to do fingerprinting etc. and shall pass the FBI check before they get to final stage of adjudication. that would take 6 more months. so they should look at the bulletin at that time to see if they are eligible. dont get excited about these dates - they are not that helpful for the last month filers.
some people who applied in June may get approved if their PDs are current. July/ Aug filers unlikely
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11-01 01:31 PM
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msgrewal81
02-18 04:45 PM
Sorry guys, I misread somewhere.:D
What about illegal immigrants with < 5years. I think these senators will leave the overall problem unsolved.
What about illegal immigrants with < 5years. I think these senators will leave the overall problem unsolved.
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chanduv23
07-29 01:48 PM
In that case, employers should mention the following in the offer letter
" In case, in future, if economy goes bad and recession occurs,we cannot sponsor your green card since it is easy to find american citizens who has minimum qualification."
This should be mentioned on the offer letters given by big comapnies.Then it is up to H1B candidate whenter to take the offer(risk) or not.
Can these companies do this????
Though it is unfortunate, I don't think you are understanding stuff right. If you think you have a case to fight, go ahead and do it. Consult an employment lawyer and see what can be done.
Anywhere in the world, it is always the employer who has the upper hand and you fight only if you are capable of.
It looks to me that you are venting out on the employer on this forum because you feel decieved or cheated, but the reality is that, it is just an unfortunate situation for you and all of us go through bad and frustrating times.
There are some companies who have filed EB1C left and right and employees got GCs in few months, there are companies who file EB3 for most qualified and that too when in 5th year.
A lot of physicians get future offers while they do fellowships etc... and the employer actualy files directly for GC and these folks get GC by the time their fellowships are over and they start work immediately.
Work with the situation, work with your employer, look for options, try to infleunce the system to make process better .... along the way you will see that you can achieve a lot by being positive about things.
Try to "Make things happen" rather than expecting things to happen, because things change and we all know "change is constant"
" In case, in future, if economy goes bad and recession occurs,we cannot sponsor your green card since it is easy to find american citizens who has minimum qualification."
This should be mentioned on the offer letters given by big comapnies.Then it is up to H1B candidate whenter to take the offer(risk) or not.
Can these companies do this????
Though it is unfortunate, I don't think you are understanding stuff right. If you think you have a case to fight, go ahead and do it. Consult an employment lawyer and see what can be done.
Anywhere in the world, it is always the employer who has the upper hand and you fight only if you are capable of.
It looks to me that you are venting out on the employer on this forum because you feel decieved or cheated, but the reality is that, it is just an unfortunate situation for you and all of us go through bad and frustrating times.
There are some companies who have filed EB1C left and right and employees got GCs in few months, there are companies who file EB3 for most qualified and that too when in 5th year.
A lot of physicians get future offers while they do fellowships etc... and the employer actualy files directly for GC and these folks get GC by the time their fellowships are over and they start work immediately.
Work with the situation, work with your employer, look for options, try to infleunce the system to make process better .... along the way you will see that you can achieve a lot by being positive about things.
Try to "Make things happen" rather than expecting things to happen, because things change and we all know "change is constant"
prince_waiting
09-26 10:06 AM
Respected Editor,
Please allow me to being a glaring error in the concerned article. The rally organized by highly skilled legal immigrants in Washington D.C. on the 18th of September 2007 was not for increase in H1B visa numbers. The high skilled immigrant community was protesting against unfair backlogs in the employment based immigration categories. Currently applicants in some categories are facing a wait time of about 8-10 years if they are from a certain country. Applicants with higher degrees (Masters and Doctorate) from US universities are also a part of this backlog. Always illegal immigration overshadows legal immigration on any forum in the immigartion debate and this group of protesters were trying to bring the hihg skilled legal immigration issue into limelight . When countries like Australia,England,New Zealand, Canada and even Ireland are making high skilled immigration easier, the US has not updated its immigration laws in the high skilled sector for the past 20 years. Also with the booming economies of China and India needing more highly skilled workers the competition for talent is hotting up by the day.
CNN being a responsible and influential media house should highlight the issue of high skilled immigration and not skew the facts.
Please allow me to being a glaring error in the concerned article. The rally organized by highly skilled legal immigrants in Washington D.C. on the 18th of September 2007 was not for increase in H1B visa numbers. The high skilled immigrant community was protesting against unfair backlogs in the employment based immigration categories. Currently applicants in some categories are facing a wait time of about 8-10 years if they are from a certain country. Applicants with higher degrees (Masters and Doctorate) from US universities are also a part of this backlog. Always illegal immigration overshadows legal immigration on any forum in the immigartion debate and this group of protesters were trying to bring the hihg skilled legal immigration issue into limelight . When countries like Australia,England,New Zealand, Canada and even Ireland are making high skilled immigration easier, the US has not updated its immigration laws in the high skilled sector for the past 20 years. Also with the booming economies of China and India needing more highly skilled workers the competition for talent is hotting up by the day.
CNN being a responsible and influential media house should highlight the issue of high skilled immigration and not skew the facts.
arsh007
02-01 11:38 AM
Looks like there is now an increasing awareness of how Desi Consulting companies are bringing in a bad name to the entire desi population in this country.
Found this email from Google H-1B Group: from
infoprovider_ 2 at yahoo dot com.
Hi,
I would like to inform you about the large scale fraud going in the
technology world today in USA. I know of many small-mid sized IT
consultancies in US, which are founded by Indians. They recruit people
(1) with degrees from various fields, most of the candidates recruited
don't ever have any experience in computers. They train them in some
tools (2) and change the resume totally (3), someone who has knowledge
relevant to the job takes the interview instead of the actual candidate
and they get placed. Ironically, even though these jobs advertisements
say that around 5 years of experience is required, usually someone with
not so high aptitude and limited trainig in that parituclar tool (2)
can manage to sustain in that position, this is very real, these jobs
can be done that way. They manage to get jobs in the biggest of US
companies (4).
This consultancy fraud is know to almost every Indian working in the
technology sector. The consultancies almost don't take any one other
than from India and surronding countires like Bangladesh, Srilanka. 99%
of those i have seen are from India and the remaining 1% from
Bangladesh, Srilanka etc.
How many are doing this?
I believe there would be atleast a few thousands of consultancies.
Wanna find them? SOme of them advertise in Indian content sites such as
sulekha.com. Look at the right hand side of the page
classifieds. sulekha.com
Who is loosing due to this.
If this jobs can be done by someone with no experience in that
technology, can't these be done by those americans who have a better
experience (say 2 years or even 1 year), these folks work sincerely and
go with correct resumes get X dollars where as the fraudsters get 3X -
5X dollars.
I don't say that every one from India are doing this. But a significant
many are doing this. I know around 30 people working in US in
technology sector. Over 20 are working this way. I can confidently say
hundreds of thousands are doing this today and each year at least 50000
(from student pool, dependents pool, directly coming to the
consultancies as H1b workers from India) are joining them. Also, I am
talking about the small to mid sized (1- 1000 people) consultancies not
the big Indian consultancies such as Infosys and TCS.
Solution:
A lot of things can be done. But the simple thing that's easy to
implement by the americans and thus not impede their productivity by
spending too much resources in verifying the authenticity is this
Let the INS provide the details of the H1b holders to the companies
when asked by the companies only (this is similar to letting others
e.g., housing provider, know about one's credit history). So, with the
applicants SSN the companies can see the basic information like when
the applicant has got his H1b approved and the resume submitted by the
applicant with his H1b application (usually not many applicants give a
very wrong resume to the INS while applying for the H1b). This
eliminates almost all the cases of fraudsters (since they can't come to
US today, one or two years ago and say that I have been working here
for 5 years). This is one simple solution, easy to implement.
There are many othere solutions
(1) Whom do they usually recruit
Thousands of students come from India every year to pursue Masters
degree. They come to pursue Master's in various fields, the fields in
which they have done their bachelor's back in India. Only about a
quarter of them manage to get jobs in the fields in which they have
done their Master's as direct employees of the companies. The remaining
join these consultancies as they can easily get jobs through the
consultancies.
Dependents, mostly those who come as spouses (coming as wives). They
might have done some bachelors degree or Masters back in India in some
field. Many of them not in computers. They don't have any experience
there. They can easily be placed by the consultancies.
SOme others pay these consultancies for sponsoring H1b visa. Typically
the consultancies take the fee required for teh application and the
lawyer fee (usually USD 2500-USD3000) . SOme of these cases are those
with experience in IT in India. But significant number of the remaining
are not experienced. Recently I have seen people who have been to other
countries for their studies like Australia and Europe coming through
the consultancies this way. Even most of these guys have no experience
in IT, most experience in no field.
(2) Which technologies they work in
I have seen that the technologies they work in are in which the pay
rates are high (because of lack of skillful people) like SAP,
DataWarehousing tools. They also work in other fields like Testing etc.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of jobs in these fields.
(3) How much is the resume changed
They change the resume totally. Every resume says the person has worked
in US for over 4 years, doesn't matter if it is someone who came for
masters to US an year or two years ago or someone who very recently
came as a wife to someone.
All most everyone's resumes have over 5 years experience where as in
reality almost everyone don't have that much experience. If someone has
that much experience they wouldn't go through these consultants who
take a big fraction of the pay they get from the clients.
Can't it be detected?
No, in most cases its hard (expensive) for the recruiters (the clients)
to find the authenticity of the resumes submitted. There is no proof
that these resumes are authentic. Just in case some references are
needed the consultancies give a dummy reference, and some phone number
(they can ask some contacts, their acquiantainces working in some
companies to take the call,if at all they feel that the client will
find out from the phone number which company does this phone number
belongs to, but most of the client companies don't go that far too, so
a guy's mobile number who is working in the consultancy itself can be
given as referencees contact number). It is hard to remember the voice
by the interviewer after a few days of the intrview and usually these
candidates join at least after a week after taking the interview (even
if the candidate joins in 3 days, its hard to remember the voice as the
interviewer usually interacts with many people (particularly they being
in team lead or managerial positions)
(4) I personally know people working in Microsoft, IBM, TEK systems,
Cingular, Amazon, Accenture, Citigroup etc. This says such people are
working in almost every technology company in USA
So then, how is an American, like me, who spent tens of thousands of
dollars to get thru 3 yrs. in a technical school that ended with a
Bachelor degree in Science with Computer Information Systems, with
honors, supposed to get a job in the IT community while these
fraudulent (most likely illegal alien Indians) take the positions away
from me? I worked my a$$ off studying hard, working hard, worked at
the school, even took an extra course study in computer hardware
configurations, and STILL, these IT companies DON'T want to even speak
to me because they OUTSOURCE from these FRAUDS! How FAIR is
that???!!!
Found this email from Google H-1B Group: from
infoprovider_ 2 at yahoo dot com.
Hi,
I would like to inform you about the large scale fraud going in the
technology world today in USA. I know of many small-mid sized IT
consultancies in US, which are founded by Indians. They recruit people
(1) with degrees from various fields, most of the candidates recruited
don't ever have any experience in computers. They train them in some
tools (2) and change the resume totally (3), someone who has knowledge
relevant to the job takes the interview instead of the actual candidate
and they get placed. Ironically, even though these jobs advertisements
say that around 5 years of experience is required, usually someone with
not so high aptitude and limited trainig in that parituclar tool (2)
can manage to sustain in that position, this is very real, these jobs
can be done that way. They manage to get jobs in the biggest of US
companies (4).
This consultancy fraud is know to almost every Indian working in the
technology sector. The consultancies almost don't take any one other
than from India and surronding countires like Bangladesh, Srilanka. 99%
of those i have seen are from India and the remaining 1% from
Bangladesh, Srilanka etc.
How many are doing this?
I believe there would be atleast a few thousands of consultancies.
Wanna find them? SOme of them advertise in Indian content sites such as
sulekha.com. Look at the right hand side of the page
classifieds. sulekha.com
Who is loosing due to this.
If this jobs can be done by someone with no experience in that
technology, can't these be done by those americans who have a better
experience (say 2 years or even 1 year), these folks work sincerely and
go with correct resumes get X dollars where as the fraudsters get 3X -
5X dollars.
I don't say that every one from India are doing this. But a significant
many are doing this. I know around 30 people working in US in
technology sector. Over 20 are working this way. I can confidently say
hundreds of thousands are doing this today and each year at least 50000
(from student pool, dependents pool, directly coming to the
consultancies as H1b workers from India) are joining them. Also, I am
talking about the small to mid sized (1- 1000 people) consultancies not
the big Indian consultancies such as Infosys and TCS.
Solution:
A lot of things can be done. But the simple thing that's easy to
implement by the americans and thus not impede their productivity by
spending too much resources in verifying the authenticity is this
Let the INS provide the details of the H1b holders to the companies
when asked by the companies only (this is similar to letting others
e.g., housing provider, know about one's credit history). So, with the
applicants SSN the companies can see the basic information like when
the applicant has got his H1b approved and the resume submitted by the
applicant with his H1b application (usually not many applicants give a
very wrong resume to the INS while applying for the H1b). This
eliminates almost all the cases of fraudsters (since they can't come to
US today, one or two years ago and say that I have been working here
for 5 years). This is one simple solution, easy to implement.
There are many othere solutions
(1) Whom do they usually recruit
Thousands of students come from India every year to pursue Masters
degree. They come to pursue Master's in various fields, the fields in
which they have done their bachelor's back in India. Only about a
quarter of them manage to get jobs in the fields in which they have
done their Master's as direct employees of the companies. The remaining
join these consultancies as they can easily get jobs through the
consultancies.
Dependents, mostly those who come as spouses (coming as wives). They
might have done some bachelors degree or Masters back in India in some
field. Many of them not in computers. They don't have any experience
there. They can easily be placed by the consultancies.
SOme others pay these consultancies for sponsoring H1b visa. Typically
the consultancies take the fee required for teh application and the
lawyer fee (usually USD 2500-USD3000) . SOme of these cases are those
with experience in IT in India. But significant number of the remaining
are not experienced. Recently I have seen people who have been to other
countries for their studies like Australia and Europe coming through
the consultancies this way. Even most of these guys have no experience
in IT, most experience in no field.
(2) Which technologies they work in
I have seen that the technologies they work in are in which the pay
rates are high (because of lack of skillful people) like SAP,
DataWarehousing tools. They also work in other fields like Testing etc.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of jobs in these fields.
(3) How much is the resume changed
They change the resume totally. Every resume says the person has worked
in US for over 4 years, doesn't matter if it is someone who came for
masters to US an year or two years ago or someone who very recently
came as a wife to someone.
All most everyone's resumes have over 5 years experience where as in
reality almost everyone don't have that much experience. If someone has
that much experience they wouldn't go through these consultants who
take a big fraction of the pay they get from the clients.
Can't it be detected?
No, in most cases its hard (expensive) for the recruiters (the clients)
to find the authenticity of the resumes submitted. There is no proof
that these resumes are authentic. Just in case some references are
needed the consultancies give a dummy reference, and some phone number
(they can ask some contacts, their acquiantainces working in some
companies to take the call,if at all they feel that the client will
find out from the phone number which company does this phone number
belongs to, but most of the client companies don't go that far too, so
a guy's mobile number who is working in the consultancy itself can be
given as referencees contact number). It is hard to remember the voice
by the interviewer after a few days of the intrview and usually these
candidates join at least after a week after taking the interview (even
if the candidate joins in 3 days, its hard to remember the voice as the
interviewer usually interacts with many people (particularly they being
in team lead or managerial positions)
(4) I personally know people working in Microsoft, IBM, TEK systems,
Cingular, Amazon, Accenture, Citigroup etc. This says such people are
working in almost every technology company in USA
So then, how is an American, like me, who spent tens of thousands of
dollars to get thru 3 yrs. in a technical school that ended with a
Bachelor degree in Science with Computer Information Systems, with
honors, supposed to get a job in the IT community while these
fraudulent (most likely illegal alien Indians) take the positions away
from me? I worked my a$$ off studying hard, working hard, worked at
the school, even took an extra course study in computer hardware
configurations, and STILL, these IT companies DON'T want to even speak
to me because they OUTSOURCE from these FRAUDS! How FAIR is
that???!!!
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